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  Registered Member #13900 Joined: Tue Jun 16 2009, 07:26AMPosts: 59 | Signal Radio had 256m (1170kHz) splashed all over their IBA promo materials and the initial Alfasound package referenced 257! Figure that! | ||
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  Registered Member #844 Joined: Thu Aug 28 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 435 | Just thinking about it now, on the Beacon Radio tribute website they had audio off-air footage of 989Khz jingles which were used before 990Khz came in. [ Edited Tue Mar 23 2010, 05:47PM ] "JAM creates more than just jingles for Coast 103, they actually create our image, our songs if you will, the stationality..." Jhani Kaye, Coast 103.5 | ||
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   Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2598 | "I think it`s great and kind of quirky of us UK Jinglemaders , writing soooooo much about 1 kHz - I`m pleased I posted those YAMCO jingles !" And thats what makes a GOOD forum! Plenty of knowledgable (if sometimes slightly daft!) participants who can let a simple topic twist & turn and develop into all sorts of unexpected angles :^) (Think how many websites have sterile pre-programmed "FAQs" that not only can't answer a question properly but then "stop dead" after they've "delivered" one generic answer!) Next question:- Why did Tees have their jingles sung as "Ninety-Six, Sixty" (96.60 MHz) when no-one had declared the decimal frequency fraction that way since the days of "double digit after the point" VHF on a couple of new BBC locals in the late 1960s...? ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Barras |
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 Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3652 | To the esteemed Jinglemadders who have responsed to this 1151 discrepency... I believe this is the first time (after 30+ years !) that we`ve realised this issue, that Metro (and other ILR stations) have really been on 1152 since day one in the 1970s and not 1151... I`ve done a search on the internet and there`s no mention of this any where else. So, if it is a revelation here, we should give ourselves a pat on the back !!! Here`s some of the "261" sings for Metro by YAMCO...  yamco_metro_261.mp3 davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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| Registered Member #844 Joined: Thu Aug 28 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 435 | Wixy1360 wrote ... Next question:- Why did Tees have their jingles sung as "Ninety-Six, Sixty" (96.60 MHz) when no-one had declared the decimal frequency fraction that way since the days of "double digit after the point" VHF on a couple of new BBC locals in the late 1960s...? I think BBC Radio Leicester was on "95.05 VHF" or so it was said on the first broadcast. "JAM creates more than just jingles for Coast 103, they actually create our image, our songs if you will, the stationality..." Jhani Kaye, Coast 103.5 | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2598 | Right enough Inferno - someone had a bit of audio of that on a montage here not too long ago. ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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 Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 902 | Re TFM The programm director thought it sounded metter Reembmer MFM Ten Thirty four and ninety Seven One!!! | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2598 | "Reembmer MFM Ten Thirty four and ninety Seven One!!!" Indeed! - got some of my old cassette airchecks with that here being digitzed at the moment. Maybe programme directors should always talk to their station engineer first! .... except they don't exist any more :^( ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 902 | neiher do programme directors - whsat the points with one or posibly two shows a day giving it heart!!! | ||
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| Registered Member #13900 Joined: Tue Jun 16 2009, 07:26AMPosts: 59 | Ten-Seventeen. A whole station named after a slip of two decimal places... | ||
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| Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3652 | Here`s the cut-by-cut listing of the YAMCO package for Metro Radio... YAMCO – Metro Radio (circa 1976) ID = Metro 01 Music Sting 01 02 Music Sting 02 03 Music Sting 03 04 Music Sting 04 05 Music Sting 05 (Harpsichord) 06 News Theme (based on John Miles "Music") 07 ID 261 08 ID 261 (Fast) 09 ID 1151 10 ID 1151 11 ID 261 (Slow) 12 ID 261 13 ID 97FM 14 ID 1151 (Acapella) 15 ID 261 Means Music 16 ID 261 Means Music (Slow End) 17 ID 1151 Means Music 18 The North-East Sound 19 Music For Every One 20 ID In Stereo 21 97FM Stereo (Acapella) 22 Night Time Music (10cc I`m Not In Love) 23 Gentle On Your Mind (Delfonics) 24 Sunshine Music 25 The Music In The North-East (ABBA Dancing Queen) 26 All Hits (Dawn Tie A Yellow Ribbon) 27 All The Best Music 28 All The Best Music (Slower) 29 ID Weekend 30 ID New Sound 31 ID New Sound (Brass intro) 32 Music For Every One (Hard) 33 All Hits (Acapella) 34 ID 1151 The Weekend Sound 35 ID 1151 The North East Sound 36 ID 1151 ID Weekend 37 97FM Stereo – Gentle On Your Mind 38 ID 1151 Means Music 39 MUSIC BED 40 Anne Dover (Acca) 41 Bill Steel (Acca) 42 Bill Steel (Acca Fast) 43 Dave Burrows (Acca) 44 Dave Burrows (Acca Fast) 45 Paddy MacDee (Acca) 46 Paddy MacDee (Acca Fast) 47 Steve King (Acca) 48 Steve King (Acca Fast) 49 Giles Squire (Acca) 50 Giles Squire (Acca Fast) 51 James Whale (Acca) 52 James Whale (Acca Fast) 53 ID In Stereo 54 ID 97FM ID 97FM ID 97FM 55 In Setreo (Acca Slow) 56 On The Move 57 Paddy MacDee ID 261 58 Paddy macDee ID In Stereo 59 Paddy MacDee In Stereo (Acca) 60 ID 1151 Steve King (Acca) 61 Dave Burrows ID 261 62 Paddy MacDee ID 261 63 Giles Squire ID 261 64 James Whale ID 261 65 Bill Steel ID 261 66 The Mid-Day Music Explosion (Paddy MacDee liner) 67 Marc Paul ID 261 68 Marc Paul (Acca) 69 Paddy MacDee Gentle On Your Mind 70 Giles Squire All The Best Music 71 ID 1151 Dave Burrows 72 Dave Burrows ID 261 (Slow) 73 Anne Dover Music For Every One 74 Anne Dover Gentle On Your Mind 75 Anne Dover All The Best Music 76 Anne Dover All The Best Music (Hard) 77 James Whale ID 261 (Slow) 78 James Whale Night Time Music (10cc) 79 James Whale Gentle On Your Mind 80 James Whale All The Best Music (Slow) 81 Steve King Music For Every One 82 Steve King gentle On Your Mind 83 Steve King All hits (Dawn) 84 Steve King All the Best Music (Hard) 85 Steve king ID Weekend 86 Marc Paul All Hits (Dawn) 87 Marc Paul The Weekend Sound 88 Marc Paul Music For Every One 89 Marc Paul On The Move davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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 Registered Member #324 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 15 | Sorry guys the 9kHz European reshuffle thing only came into effect in 1978 so Metro, LBC etc were definitely on 1151kHz before this etc. The current plan was adopted after an ITU Geneva meeting in 1975 and the UK's medium wave allocations were only shifted by 1 or 2 kHz to multiples of 9 kHz to get rid of night-time whistles caused by inter-carrier interference which happened accross Europe due to differing standards. See below for some more on this http://frequencyfinder.org.uk/trans_hist2.html http://www.zen77094.zen.co.uk/vintagebroadcasting/bbcchanges.htm [ Edited Tue Mar 30 2010, 08:03PM ] | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2598 | Excellent info, thanks for digging that out! From a jingle point of view, "before" that ITU definition, UK stations generally really ID'd using their wavelength not frequency on "medium wave", by "tradition" almost (e.g. Clyde were "2-6-1" metres and never mentioned kilohertz - and they were very quiet about their VHF stereo channel at 95.1 for a long time!) . When the use of frequency for "AM" was adopted more after that point for ID'ing, THEN the jingles started to include kilohertz frequency numbers, whether e.g. 1151 or 1152 etc. It's the "rarety value" of finding jingles that were "sung to the not-quite-correct" numerical value rather than the "ITU table values" that is intriquing (to me, at least). As yet, I can't recall hearing any jingles sung before the ITU re-definition that used kilohertz frequencies - but there were very few ILRs on-air then compared with now, and every jingle package was a UK custom - so perhaps a good "challenge" now for JM'ers to try and find any pre-1978 "non-ITU" frequency jingles! Whether the TX XTALs oscillated at 1,151,000 cycles per second or 1,1152,000 cycles per second "before" the re-definition was something the listeners would never have known about. ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Registered Member #324 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 15 | Just asked my Dad who remembers that Capital's 194 was swictched off during his overnight Night Flight programme to let the IBA make the adjustments on that early November morning too. A bit more here if you have an hour or three spare (must get back to work now!!)  http://www.bbceng.info/Technical%20Reviews/dev_am_tx_nw_6a.pdf Facinating to see that the UK had 10kHz spacing at some point though - never knew that! | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2598 | That is quite a document! I've seen a tiny extract from the "potted history" bit before, but never seen the ICW frequency stuff. And right enough, set 10 kHz channels negiotiated & allocated across Europe all that time ago. Liked the reference to the "luxembourg Effect" - but clearly a different "effect" from the old "phasing"! A quick question for UK radio historians - although Australia & NZ adopted the UK call-sign ID system (single number- 2 letters), I've never found out how the number was decided (the letters are usually obvious - city name abreviation, etc). Aberdeen and London could have a "2", yet Glasgow and Plymouth a "5", but (like Oz) no-one had a "1". And no UK "4"s. Strange! [ Edited Wed Mar 31 2010, 02:09PM ] ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3652 | Happy birthday Metro Radio... It was on 15th July 1974 that Metro Radio began broadcasting from what had been the drawing offices of Huwood Ellis in Swalwell. [ image disabled ] davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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| Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3652 | Just for the hell of it... jam_happy_birthday_metro_fm.mp3 davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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| Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3652 | Here`s something I never thought I would be writing about in August 2010 but Clive Warren on the mid-morning show at Metro Radio is using his "old" Alfasound name-check jingle ! I`ll dig it out and post it here... davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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