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brooky148  Registered Member #12793 Joined: Mon Oct 13 2008, 01:02AMPosts: 43 | Welcome to Real Radio 2009 from Music 4. New jingles from the team here at Music 4 now feature on all of the 'Real' stations in Scotland, Yorkshire and Wales and on the re-branded stations broadcasting across the northwest and northeast of England (previously Century Radio). This package features a fresh new vocal sound from Music 4 and has been designed to maximise listener recall for RAJAR with the ultra powerful message "you're listening to Real" built into every cut. Sounds simple, but we reckon this is going to prove to be very effective. John Simons, Group Programme Director says: "We’ve always aired high quality jingles on Real Radio and to coincide in with the re-branding of Century to Real, we were looking for a change of style. Music 4 came up with some great ideas for us". We are certain these new jingles will help take these stations to their next stage of development. Take a listen to a fairly comprehensive selection of the jingles created for Real Radio in the northwest below (and look out for extra cuts and beds that will be added shortly). http://www.music4.com/musicservices/catalogue/603/real-radio/north-west-full-jingle-package.html | ||
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| Wixy1360 |
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   Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2547 | Very punchy! "fresh new vocal sound from Music 4 and has been designed to maximise listener recall for RAJAR with the ultra powerful message "you're listening to Real" built into every cut." And VERY unfortunate!....they've used a similar logo that their competitor here - Fife's Kingdom FM - have had for ages on their TM custom, including running the logo with synth etc at the front of the cuts - that'll confuse the listeners when they fill their RAJAR diary (the supposed reason for these "memorable" new jingles! First, it was the "Asda" logo in Manchester, and now this! Do these London-centric people never actually venture out beyond the M25 ring and listen to what actually goes on elsewhere beyond the horizon visible from the Gherkin? [ Edited Sat Apr 11 2009, 08:10AM ] ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| cserpentuk |
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 Registered Member #273 Joined: Thu Apr 17 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 50 | I've been listening to these all morning on Real NE... I *really* don't like them! I don't feel it fits in with how what was Century NE comes over on air, whereas I felt the Bespoke ones fitted quite nicely. I don't even think the presenters (inc the newsreaders) feel particularly comfortable with them either! | ||
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| Barras |
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 Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3551 | Wixy1360 wrote ... Very punchy! And VERY unfortunate!.... You got in there before me Wixy ! I was working on a little bit of audio which is quite confusing to listen to, even for a seasoned jingle ID collector like me...  key_real_logo.mp3Someone over at Music 4 has a fondness for Reelworld. As you can see in the audio title, Key 103 is first and then the Real Radio logo. [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 11:46AM ] davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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| cserpentuk |
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| Registered Member #273 Joined: Thu Apr 17 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 50 | Oh I foresee a new intra-station fight going on here! Real have liners now saying they claim the Best Variety of Music (how cliché) vs Metro's More Music Variety. Have you listened to the new imaging on air David? What's your thoughts there? | ||
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| Rob P |
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Lord of the Reel's  Registered Member #4327 Joined: Thu Dec 30 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 63 | I for one was up at 6am to hear the launch here in the North East... Sad sendoff... would have expected a better launch coundtdown and a better hark to the past of Century... The music4 package... very dissappointing package initially, I haven't been a fan of music4 work in the last couple of years, but i think we should just wait and see what happens in the next few weeks. I don't think that the presenters and news team are fully aware of how the cuts should work and understandably will be nervous / uncomfortable. Give em' a chance to run in. As for the overall suitability for the NE station, it seems as if Real are aiming at a slightly younger audience than Century previously did. If they are, good - Metro certainly need a good kick up the backside to help get their imaging in order!! For elsewhere in the UK, I agree... music4 should have been more aware about sonic logos etc, and not to overlap them! | ||
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| cserpentuk |
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| Registered Member #273 Joined: Thu Apr 17 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 50 | I wasn't up at 6, I'm guessing they just slipped from the network feed into a countdown and then went into a relaunch? I was exceptionally sad and asked for an old jingle during the request lunchtime yesterday as a send off!  I agree entirely with what you say about Metro, their imaging is absolutely shocking, and their PD needs a good boot up the backside. Metro tend to think they're the best and rest on their laurels unfortunately. Century has aimed at Generation X for a while now, obviously Century was originally aimed at the 25-49 group (moreso at the upper end of that), but now they've definitely got an excellent range of variety - I was shocked to hear the Shamen on it the other week on the 'golden' hour! [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 04:04PM ] | ||
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| Paul |
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  Registered Member #6794 Joined: Wed Feb 08 2006, 05:00AMPosts: 507 | Does anyone have a recording of the relaunch sequence? jinglenews.com / my jingle list twitter.com/jinglenews | ||
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| OllyH92 |
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 Registered Member #11403 Joined: Sun Dec 23 2007, 12:46AMPosts: 58 | Prepare for stupid question thats been answered a hundred times.. just cant find the responce.. How do you download the files from music 4? Thanksss | ||
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| brooky148 |
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| brooky148 Registered Member #12793 Joined: Mon Oct 13 2008, 01:02AMPosts: 43 | I use Internet Download Manager, and it integrates with Firefox, i just click on it and it downloads the MP3. [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 04:41PM ] | ||
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| Michael Bolton |
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 Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 895 | Hmmmm anyone think they sound a tad like Fife's Kingdom FM ? | ||
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| Wixy1360 |
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2547 | Hmmmm anyone think they sound a tad like Fife's Kingdom FM ?" Thats EXACTLY what I said in Post #2 above Michael! :^) Kingdom has a HUGE overlap with Real (Scotland) not just in Fife but all of Edinburgh and westwards too. The logo is 99% the same (different key?), they start some of the cuts with the logo, etc. I found some audio earlier that someone had posted elsewhere - have a listen! (Edit: audio now deleted at the behest of the compiler - IJ) If it was New York or London instead of 400 miles away from "the centre of the media universe" would TWO stations have jingles that sounded virtually the same, especially the "big" station seemingly trying to sound like its smaller (and actually excellent) competitor? [ Edited Tue Mar 31 2009, 08:22PM ] ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Paul |
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| Registered Member #6794 Joined: Wed Feb 08 2006, 05:00AMPosts: 507 | OllyH92 wrote ... Prepare for stupid question thats been answered a hundred times.. just cant find the responce.. How do you download the files from music 4? Thanksss Copy & paste the following code into the address bar when you're on the Music 4 site. Hit enter. Then go to listen to the cuts, and you'll be given the link. Just right click to download.
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jinglenews.com / my jingle list twitter.com/jinglenews | ||
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| OllyH92 |
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| Registered Member #11403 Joined: Sun Dec 23 2007, 12:46AMPosts: 58 | thanks for the help guys! much appreciated! | ||
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| barrydavidallan |
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 Registered Member #12384 Joined: Mon Jul 21 2008, 07:02AMPosts: 156 | Take a listen to the cuts http://www.music4.com/musicservices/catalogue/603/real-radio/north-west-full-jingle-package.html I like Music 4 jingles but the moyles jingles work better..is it because they use a solo voice....I think these jingles sound like Bespoke beds and new singers rather than a music 4 package.. But then you cant be to far away from the station style the listeners know, so maybe thats why they sound like the old package ...Real Ray-De-O Any other ideas on how they could have sung the logo to make it stand out [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 07:04PM ] | ||
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| barrydavidallan |
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| Registered Member #12384 Joined: Mon Jul 21 2008, 07:02AMPosts: 156 | Not as good as Moyles and Ray Foley cuts .. ........ [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 07:17PM ] | ||
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| Michael Bolton |
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| Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 895 | Remember all those JAM sound-a-likes for Moyles!!?? I actually think this is so near to the TM Kingdom package that you do woner about the principals of copyright infringement. | ||
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| Rob P |
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| Lord of the Reel's Registered Member #4327 Joined: Thu Dec 30 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 63 | Michael Bolton wrote ... Remember all those JAM sound-a-likes for Moyles!!?? I actually think this is so near to the TM Kingdom package that you do woner about the principals of copyright infringement. Indeed! Now a comment from Mr Stevens is required! hahaha. It's a shame. I do hope Kingdom FM have complained to TMStudios!! Oh and cserpent - I suggest you email Trevor James at Metro - I have in the past - did I get a response? Did I heck. | ||
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| cserpentuk |
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| Registered Member #273 Joined: Thu Apr 17 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 50 | What's the point? Metro don't give a crap about us really  | ||
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| NickyS |
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 Registered Member #66 Joined: Sat Feb 15 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 359 | This could be where Music4 got the logo idea from - and they are ten years old ... http://www.music4.com/musicservices/catalogue/185/ultimate-radio/full-station-package.html | ||
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| Michael Bolton |
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| Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 895 | maybe by those new Real jingles sound very very very like Kingdom FM, to near to be a pure coincidence. If I were TM I would consider taking action I believe that strongly that they are too alike. | ||
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| NickyS |
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| Registered Member #66 Joined: Sat Feb 15 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 359 | Also on the sounding the same issue - I think the Wise Buddah Hallam FM News Cut sounds like the Music4 BBC London logo .. http://www.wisebuddah.com/?p=jingle&cat=14&client=150 | ||
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| Michael Bolton |
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| Registered Member #92 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 895 | Yes you are right - but I think the compilation shows that alomst cut by cut the jingles are more than similar. It's just my opinion. I really like the Kingdom fM package and thought the Real Radio package is quite nice - just a bit of a "sound-alike" package. [ Edited Tue Mar 31 2009, 08:23PM ] | ||
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| Wixy1360 |
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2547 | I notice others over on Digital Spy starting to notice too (and not just a well-known correspondent from Essex!) Suggestions of "bit like This Is Heart", or "like the Swansea Sound" ones, etc, as well of course as the Revolution had the Kingdom custom re-sung. According to "an industry source", the Music4 "fresh" jingles for Real Radio are indeed supposedly based upon the THREE(???) Music4 cuts for the obscure Ultimate Radio RSL in Kent in 1999. NOT very "fresh" then? Stale more like. With Reelworld's obsession with the 3-note "Kiss FM" and 4-note "Zee100" logos that go back many many years, I can understand that, but the Kingdom one is a very distinctive (and possibly quite original) variant tweak on the "Q-95" one that of course turned up via JAM on Key 103 and others. The Music4 package shall we politely say is extremely "close-to-the-mark", in cut structure & design as well as the logo. If all the "Reals" were in areas where no competitor had this very distinct logo, it wouldn't matter a monkeys - but say if GMG had commissioned Music4 for this to have been Smooth instead of Real, I would think Richard Park at Global would have had a few choice (Fife-accent-punctuated) words to say if Smooth had brought in such a package sounding darned close to that of Heart in London etc (NB - Richard Park by the way comes from Kirkcaldy - slap bang in the middle of the Kingdom of Fife). Points to remember:- 1) The previous Bespoke packages for Real/Century all used the aging "BRMB" logo from years ago. 2) even WABC New York paid royalties for the "I'll Take Manhatten" logo for "Seventy-Seven" - until one note got changed. 3) The late George Harrison was successfully sued for "My Sweet Lord" being very vaguely akin to "He's So Fine" by the ShangriLas. Its only jingles - but these do seem to be a bit on the blatant side rather than mere coincidence. ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| Barras |
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| Registered Member #3680 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 3551 | cserpentuk wrote ... Oh I foresee a new intra-station fight going on here! Real have liners now saying they claim the Best Variety of Music (how cliché) vs Metro's More Music Variety. Have you listened to the new imaging on air David? What's your thoughts there? As you`ve pointed out cserpentuk the content and strapline of the vocal imaging is more-or-less the same. Even though several people have been slagging off the Real jingles in this post, I still have a bias towards "sung" jingles being used rather than liners. Having said that, I think the Tony Horne liners work well on Metro - have you noticed cserpentuk, it`s a different male voice on Horne`s liners compared to the regular Metro liners ? davidbarras@blueyonder.co.uk David "get JAM back on BBC Radio 2 UK - get JAM back on Z100 New York USA" Barras | ||
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| Wixy1360 |
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 2547 | Personally I quite like the "new" Real jingles, probably because they sound so familiar! They DO sound good on-air so far - the TOH is far better than the previous echoey duff version of the BBC "pips"! ... its just that they are more likely to get Ticks in the RAJAR diaries for Kingdom than Real from any listener east of Kirk'o'Shotts! Which is clearly NOT what the dunderheids at Music4 boast on their website blurb. (PS - has ANYONE ever been asked to fill-in a RAJAR book, or even remotely know anyone who has???) ...............# "Around the World from Scotland - All the Best Jingles, All the Best Airchecks" # | ||
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| RjM |
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Rob McCaffery  Registered Member #534 Joined: Mon May 26 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 447 | Paul wrote ... Does anyone have a recording of the relaunch sequence? Here's the North West version, featuring a snippet of the Century 105 launch. Not the epic style sequence GMG usually go for, though I presume this was intentional as it's been heavily promoted as a re-brand rather than full re-launch. centuryintoreal.mp3The first thing that I thought when hearing the package, rather then the logo was the "You're listening to..." lyric- very similar idea to the "This Is..." lyric used by Global. Another small thing, the weather jingle now uses the generic "Real Radio weather" lyric rather than "North West's/Wales/Scotland's... Weather", I always liked that signature element. In compromise though the cuts do now feature a geographic element though the "The North West's", "Across Wales"... lyric. -Rob jingles.robmccaffery.com | ||
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| LenGroat |
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 Registered Member #3158 Joined: Wed Aug 11 2004, 05:00AMPosts: 612 | ...these.. are truly AWFUL ~ but to try and be constructive: 'This package features a fresh new vocal sound from Music 4' What is 'fresh' about a 1980 Pointer Sisters vocal sound... AND... on EVERY cut! ?? What is 'fresh' about a Frankie Goes to Hollywood rhythm on half the cuts? 'has been designed to maximise listener recall for RAJAR with the ultra powerful message "you're listening to Real" built into every cut' But EVERY jingle package from the currently 'trendy' companies has the SAME station phrase on EVERY cut! What is new ? A few suggestions for you 'professionals' 1. put the station name at the top on half the cuts 2. use male & female group vocal 3. use male vocal group 4. make some fast to slow / slow to fast cuts 5. make a few 2 second 'shotguns' 6. use LESS echo (helps clarity) 7. make some acapellas 8. do NOT use a sloppy, ugly word in your main slogan: You're = YOR ! 9. if you REALLY want them to 'jump out of the radio', use Sonovox on 2 or 3! 10. Get your jingles from Dallas! (ok so I'm predictable!) Yor listening to Heart This is Real Yor Really Listening Listen to Yor Heart I Really don't have the Heart to listen.... blah blah blah [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 10:05PM ] NO cheesy synthesiser beds here.....! Metro Radio ~ the North East Sound (1974-1976) Piccadilly Radio (1976) Radio Trent ~ Your 24 Hour Friend (1977 to 1994) plus GEM-AM ~ Have a Golden Day! (1988 to 1994) Saga Radio ~ R.I.P. (2005) Smooth Radio ~ Your Life. Your Music. (2007) | ||
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| cserpentuk |
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| Registered Member #273 Joined: Thu Apr 17 2003, 05:00AMPosts: 50 | RjM wrote ... Here's the North West version, featuring a snippet of the Century 105 launch. Not the epic style sequence GMG usually go for, though I presume this was intentional as it's been heavily promoted as a re-brand rather than full re-launch. centuryintoreal.mp3The first thing that I thought when hearing the package, rather then the logo was the "You're listening to..." lyric- very similar idea to the "This Is..." lyric used by Global. Another small thing, the weather jingle now uses the generic "Real Radio weather" lyric rather than "North West's/Wales/Scotland's... Weather", I always liked that signature element. In compromise though the cuts do now feature a geographic element though the "The North West's", "Across Wales"... lyric. That's actually quite sad... 15 years of broadcasting (in the NE anyway), John Myers' opener and just fading to nothing but dirge and SFX - I kind of hoped it would have at least had a reflection on Century, maybe an original jingle and then something to introduce Real. I agree on the weather comment - in fact Century as a Border/GMG brand always had that, they also appeared to drop the "that's in Location 1, Location 2 and right here at 100-102FM" - thought that may just be me missing the obvious! I've been pestered by RAJAR types on the phone asking my radio listening habits if that counts?! David, I've not listened to Tony Horne in a long time, I actually end up listening to Graham Mack on TFM via Telewest's rebroadcast on ch.934! [ Edited Mon Mar 30 2009, 11:09PM ] | ||
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| barrydavidallan |
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| Registered Member #12384 Joined: Mon Jul 21 2008, 07:02AMPosts: 156 | Who is the station Voice over now on real radio | ||
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